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3/1/2010 3:41:50 PM
 
letsgotigers
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Wrap Gypsum Board at Insert Head Condition?  

In Wall Type Properties, I have walls that are wrapped (by gypsum board) at Inserts. It is a Basic Wall Family, and the type is Exterior: Brick on Metal Stud. Two questions:

1) How do I change the location of where the gypsum board wrap terminates within the wall structure? Currently, the wrapping at inserts is set to Interior, and the wrap comes all the way out to the back of the brick. I want it to stop at the back face of the metal stud. I don't know how to change this.

2) How can I get the gypsum board to wrap at the head and sill of windows? Currently, the wall only wraps at the jamb conditions.

 
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Wall Type Properties - Gypsum Board Wrap.jpg;
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3/1/2010 8:19:58 PM
 
superJMuser
235 Posts
Joined 08/19/2009
Re: Wrap Gypsum Board at Insert Head Condition?
In Response To:  letsgotigers

Unforunately, I don't think you can automatically.  You can paint that if you want it right in 3D, or you can add a model element to your family that can be parametrically connected to the wall thickness that can provide the finish at the wall.

I have had the same issue, and unfortunately, I don't believe there is an automatic way to do this like there is at the jambs.

Let me know what you figure out, or if I can help or clarify further!

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superJMuser
3/2/2010 8:50:42 AM
 
letsgotigers
10 Posts
Joined 02/08/2010
Re: Wrap Gypsum Board at Insert Head Condition?
In Response To:  superJMuser

So, do you mean I can't automatically change the location of where the gypsum board wrap terminates within the wall structure at the jambs either, or is it just at the head and sill where I can't change the location?

3/2/2010 9:26:27 AM
 
superJMuser
235 Posts
Joined 08/19/2009
Re: Wrap Gypsum Board at Insert Head Condition?
In Response To:  letsgotigers

Allow me to clarify...

You can control this in the jamb condition within the family, but you can't at the head condition.  For the jambs, you can use a reference plane parallel to the wall (constrained the way you like), and in the properties of the reference plane, check the box "Wall Closure."  If you don't define anything in the family, the return assumes the default location which I believe is the origin line of inserted door or window.  You can control which side wraps in the project under the insert type properties or the wall type properties.

In my experience you can only have two of these reference planes with "Wall Closure" selected, one for the exterior return and one for the interior return, and as I previously mentioned, they are defining the plane parallel to the wall to where you want the finish to return.

Remember also, that once the family is loaded into the project, you can control whether wall hosted objects (inserts) have returns in the wall type or the individual door/window type.

For a wall type, any inserted object into that wall type will have returns, but the return to location is based on the settings in the individual families.  Or you can control if it shows returns by each Insert type in the project, to where you could have some types in the same wall that show returns, and some that don't.

See the attached screenshots.  These are far from perfect...just did them real fast to show what I mean.

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superJMuser
 
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Returns Set in Left Door Type - Left Door has Custom Returns.JPG;Returns Set in Wall Type - Both Doors show Returns.JPG;Wall Closure checkbox in Family Reference Plane Properties.JPG;
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3/2/2010 12:11:21 PM
 
letsgotigers
10 Posts
Joined 02/08/2010
Re: Wrap Gypsum Board at Insert Head Condition?
In Response To:  superJMuser

I created a new reference plane in the Window Family, and clicked on the "Wall Closure" box in the reference plane's Element Properties, saved the changes and loaded it into the building project. Yet nothing has changed in the project; the termination point of the wraps has not changed. Is there a setting that I missed? I attached some screen shots of the window family and building model at the window.

 
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Wall Type Properties - Gypsum Board Wrap - Window Family Plan View with Reference Planes.jpg;Wall Type Properties - Gypsum Board Wrap - Wall Closure Setting.jpg;Wall Type Properties - Gypsum Board Wrap - Window Jamb in Building Project.jpg;Wall Type Properties - Gypsum Board Wrap - Wall Type Settings.jpg;
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3/2/2010 12:22:58 PM
 
superJMuser
235 Posts
Joined 08/19/2009
Re: Wrap Gypsum Board at Insert Head Condition?
In Response To:  letsgotigers

I think you are just missing the part where you have to set the Return setting in the Wall Type...the setting is in Wall Type Settings, not the Edit Assembly settings as you show...just go one dialogue box back from the Assembly settings.
 
The settings in this dialogue (see attached screenshot) are "Wrapping at Inserts" and "Wrapping at Ends."  The "inserts" setting is the one you want for doors/windows/etc.
 
Change the setting "Do not wrap" to something else of your choice in the drop down.
Like I said, you can also go to type properties for your window (or door) and set just that Window/Door type to have wrapping.
 
Feel free to let me know if you have any other questions and please let me know if this worked!
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superJMuser
 
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3/2/2010 1:21:34 PM
 
letsgotigers
10 Posts
Joined 02/08/2010
Re: Wrap Gypsum Board at Insert Head Condition?
In Response To:  superJMuser

OK, that worked. Thanks for your help.

3/2/2010 3:15:43 PM
 
superJMuser
235 Posts
Joined 08/19/2009
Re: Wrap Gypsum Board at Insert Head Condition?
In Response To:  letsgotigers

Good deal

Glad I could help!

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superJMuser

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